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Cursed Steelbringer · Jul 09, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I dont really see how this picture fits into a monk thread^^
its not like Warlocks are known for their healing abilities

But anyway I know the problem from my WoW time with my warlock

XvArchonvX · Jul 09, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

My monk is my second oldest characters at about 1 yr old now as well as one of my most played. From my experience I generally don't see much abuse when I play as him. Sure every once in a blue moon someone will get mad when they die, but that has been a very rare occurence.

Silent Kitty · Jul 09, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Cursed Steelbringer

I dont really see how this picture fits into a monk thread^^
its not like Warlocks are known for their healing abilities

But anyway I know the problem from my WoW time with my warlock

It just shows that when you ask for a healer, you better make darn sure it is one, or you're dead. Not every cute girl holding flowers is a healer

dark okuma · Jul 17, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Why is it that i only see nice and reasonable people in the forums and not actually in the game?^^

Silent Kitty · Jul 17, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by dark okuma

Why is it that i only see nice and reasonable people in the forums and not actually in the game?^^

Gaming turns respectable businessmen in raving lunatics

Shadow of Light · Jul 18, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

I love my monk. I like being in a healing/support role. I'm good at it, so I haven't had much abuse (there will always be idiots).

However, there are a few things I dislike.

1: That monks are (almost) always *expected* to be healers/protectors.
2: 55 Mo/Ws, who will either refuse to change their builds when politely asked, or say they have but still be running it when PvE is entered.
3: Parties who lie to get a monk to join them. (I joined an Isle of Fire mission primarily to cap Restore Conditions, and told the party I would gladly stay to help them complete the mission if they helped me cap my elite first. I stopped moving when they suddenly refused on my side of the deal, and they all ended up dying. I know gloating is unbecoming, but...

)
4: Parties who think that a mission is impossible without a monk. More, people who will quit as soon as the party monk does. Come on. Take some responsibility for your own HPs, you slackers.

What I like:

1: People who take the time to thank the monks for their efforts. Sometimes I think the only people who do this must be those who have a monk char of their own, so they know how hard it can be...

2: People who realise a monk can't do everything and isn't perfect.

Vahn Roi · Jul 18, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

I like being treated like every other member of the team, I don't believe my job is any more difficult than that of the Warrior or the Elementalist or anyone.

CorstedPirate · Jul 18, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

One thing I have come to really hate is all the blind invites I get while playing my monk. It seems like sometimes I have to be spamming "waiting for guildies, no invites please." Blind invites are extremely rude, and I shouldn't have to decline an invite from the same person more than once.

These days I have been tempted to just set up as smiting at times I am just sitting around chatting with friends or waiting for them to arrive. That way I can accept the more persistant blind invites and be ready to go as a smiter right away. I have been very tempted to go into mean mode these days. Since common courtesy is not practiced by most people anymore. The only times it seems like I ever see it is at the end of the mission, when people may more may not say thanks and great job everybody.

These days I am mostly just heal or prot for my guild, though on occasion I will help a PUG with a mission. More often than not the only time I even deal with randoms guildies are along as well. I have better things to do than wonder if little Johnny (whatever prof) knows how to play their character.

strcpy · Jul 18, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

I like being treated like every other member of the team, I don't believe my job is any more difficult than that of the Warrior or the Elementalist or anyone.

Pretty much my view. No one needs to thank an Ele for good nuking, a Warrior for tanking something great, a Minion Master for making a minion at just the right moment, or pretty much any other profession - you just did you job. All those professions get heck (if not for the swear filters I would use stronger language).

But, to be fair, it seems that forum monks seem to be most of the prima donna's (that's not to say most monks on forums are, just that most of the monk prima donna's gripe on forums). There are lots that don't feel they are the absolute most vital part and need constant praise or they go "on strike". I would even say it is the rule, not the exception. But for some reason the prima donna's tend to be Monks (I rather suspect that the job of "healer" attracts that type of person for several reasons, just as a high percentage of a certain mindset choose w/mo even though there are quite a few great w/mo's).

I've also seen many many many monks that moan and complain about us being horrid when the henchie did the same job perfectly fine. I tend to ignore most complaints - especially when the henchie monk consistently does the "impossible".

That's not to say some complaints aren't valid - some really are. Every profession has them - monks are not singled out and IMO are not the worst treated. So don't get me wrong - there are quite a few times I've seen/read stuff that I cringe at directed at monks. I just do not see it much different than crap directed at any of the other classes, less than quite a few (you don't see the hate that w/mo's get, regardless of if you play the class combo well or not - and I'm one that doesn't play it well so I only go with henchies and that class). If you are one that has a real gripe I don't have any animosity towards what you are saying - just that if you think it is really bad for monks or have an invalid one you are being an idiot.

Try rolling a Mesmer or other non-visable support character. See when you did a bang up job of shutting down the nukers/healers and the other group drops *really* quickly because of it and the whole group says "Wow - that was great. Just think how fast we would have went through them if that Mesmer did something useful". Then you know unappreciated and disrespected. Let alone when you didn't do that great. It's not just some random individual - but a LARGE group and there is *nothing* you can ever do about the situation. You already did a great job, doing worse will just make you more useless. There is no nice little bar they get to not see go up - if they get creamed the next group then, of course, they would have gotten creamed worse as you are bringing the team down. Yet, you don't see a mesmer strike or constant threads.

sassoonssamson · Jul 18, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

i was doing a cooperative missions an i was the only monk there

so we took another 3 ritualist and each one had work defined out

I was resposnible top heal the tankers and keep them alive

being the monk u need to set out instructions earlier

there was this warrior who used to aggro like anything and i was alike 2 on energy later i realised jhe was aiming for the masters reward

Effendi Westland · Jul 18, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Monk abuse is a part of the game, just as 'good nuking ele' is a comment often heard in parties with a mesmer.

Prevent it by playing with mates instead of pugs. Pugs will always expect standard builds, and if you dont tell them you are for instance also running very bad lasting Area of Effect smite on the side the group will not love you (especially the tank and especially if i am tanking).

Good is also to check your healing skills as compared to a henchy. Take 7 npcs out for a walk, and only direct them... don't heal... afterwards drop the healing hench and try again. If you weren't dying the first time and are the second one there may be some room for improving your monk skills.

It may sounds harsh, but I know that alot of the people think that they are great monks, but that is just their perception. I've played with some of the posters here, and believe me, they aren't as great monks as they think. To me FoW is the ultimate monk challenge, and if you can keep a party alive after the other monk had an error you can call yourself a great monk.

As it is now 60-80% of the pug monks cannot outheal a henchie (they may have no energy management at all, may decide meteor shower is a really cool spell, may be 50% smiting, may think heal party is the way to heal, may be the amazing lagging monk).

Rebirther · Jul 18, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

if the team fails its not down to a single member, the blame is assigned to everyone.

Monk's don't have infinite energy and can't keep the team alive forever, if your team fails it's because your opponent has better co-ordination, positioning and execution, the monk tries it's best to heal everyone but I can guarentee that everyone in the team part the monks don't care about anything but themselves.

An example, players SIT in traps constantly whilst they are being set of, i.e warriors and dust trap and they moan constantly on vent/ts saying "blind on xx" expecting the monk to take it of everytime.
This shows that the warrior doesn't think about the monks position, he doesnt think about the cost of RC, the recharge time of RC and the conditions curently on the team, instead he sits in dust trap moaning get blind of me!

Other conditions are spirits such as QZ and EW that heavily affects the monk roles yet some teams don't even realise that effect and leave those spirits up expecting monk's to just as effective through them as if they weren't there.

Monk's do suffer the most abuse but that is only in PuG groups and immature gamers, better formed groups such as guild and friends tends to understand the situations more and blame is less assigned.

However one role that should reach praise is the infuser, as that is the most difficult role to master and to play in the game.

Shadow of Light · Jul 18, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by strcpy

Pretty much my view. No one needs to thank an Ele for good nuking, a Warrior for tanking something great, a Minion Master for making a minion at just the right moment, or pretty much any other profession - you just did you job.

Oh, I'm not saying anyone *needs* to thank someone else for doing their job. But some people do. Regardless of the profession that's being thanked, anyone likes to feel appreciated. And it's only courtesy to appreciate someone if you think they just gave a great performance. IMO at least...

This is not to say there aren't grandstanders out there. There are more than enough monks who go "you'd be dead without me LOLERSKATES" or ones that demand gold to join a team... etc

Sli Ander · Jul 31, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

I guess i've lucked out, cause i avoided most abuse by just using henchies and smiting until the later missions.
But I've gotta say there are some awesome players out there. When I went through tombs i let them know i wasn't used to healing,
and it actually went well cause they were listening to my energy levels.
Guess what i'm trying to say is this
1. lettem know if you're a smiter or not(even if its just to jerk their chain by being a smiter)
2. be polite until they stop being so
3.be independent if you can't deal with being with jerks
4. be nice to the non warriors and elementalists. Theres nothing like hiding behind a line of barrage rangers while you heal
them and chat about the weather. Or having a necro who times his blood ritual so you don't even have to ask for it.
5. If you're on a team with another monk, coordinate the healing/prot or whatever. makes life easier

Don't give them the excuse to call us idiots. And if i sound like one with this list, its cause its 4 am so

Captain Arne Is PRO · Jul 31, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

As soon as I feel disrespected on my Monk, I make note of it. The next outpost we enter, I leave the party.

Cebe · Jul 31, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

I started as a Ritualist a couple of weeks ago. I didn't mind the idea of healing but didn't want to be a monk... I get funny reactions from people when I say I'm a Healing Ritualist - often "What's a healing ritualist?", and they still don't get it when I explain what I can do... I decided to go Restoration just to try to remove this "Every party NEEDS a MONK attitude" - I may not be as good as a monk, but I can keep a party going pretty damn well when I need to...

One of my biggest tests was Zen Daijun...I got into a group with 3 Rangers, 2 Monks and 1 Ritualist (Me) - The monks did NOTHING....I don't know if it was deliberate to 'make a point' or anything, but I was the only one keeping the entire group, who favoured the 'rush in and die' approach, healed... Eventually I said "Are the monks even doing any healing, or is it only me", to which one of the monks replied "Oh, I've been AFK most of the time..." - the GIT!

My brother started as a monk, and he's very good. Since he can get into a group within seconds of entering a mission town, I use him as my passage in, I'm hoping I can return the favour with my healing rit sometime... (yes, we do tend to be like, Mo & X LFG - Take both or none!) - maybe a bit cheeky, but it works! My brother does have a sadistic side, however, where he will sit in an outpost (waiting for me) and reject everyone's invites - 'cause he can - but when he gets in the mission, he works is ass off to keep the group running...and NEVER quits. The amount of monks who enter a mission just to quit out 2 mins in astonishes me...

Darkwyrm · Jul 31, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

I'm lucky enough to have avoided the bad pugs for the most part, but I can tell where you guys are coming from having been in a few. I use E/Mo and usually wind up using my heal/buff build because noone else is willing to. It's a combo of that and just straight up not trusting someone who must be the last resort to even change. Even so if not I still bring a self heal and ask others to do the same(+hard rez in the case of likly death, often).

The worst I've done is refused to rez an idiot until combat's over, good reason because death penalty piles up for them most of the time. Does this seem like a petty thing(the asking for them to watch themselves and refusing) or an actual feasable strategy, both for party longevity and dealing with annoyances?

elektra_lucia · Jul 31, 2006, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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One monk in tombs?! Thats suicide before you pull the trigger.

I monk solo in tombs, it's not hard :/.

Monks are generally crap, no hex removal, no decent energy manegement. It sucks, because when I want to flame a monk it's just seen as the regular "monk abuse".

If you stop monking because of idiots, you're pathetic. Play the game how you want to. Disable team chat, local chat, trade chat and just talk in guild chat

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Silent Kitty · Jul 31, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

When I play a character without healing abilities, I learn how tough the job of a monk is.
My necro simply does a job to hurt monsters, never have to worry about health of team mates. It is very relaxing after a few missions of heavy monking. I don't even bother to ask the monk if s/he actually has healing spells, because I play this character to get away from it all. When I die, I relax even more. I just stay there until the monk, or somebody with a rez, decides to revive me. As monk, I always felt a little shame, but as necro I just think "Oh well".

Actually, I don't even mind when there is no monk at all.

KamikazeChicken · Jul 31, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

How hard would it be getting this thread tossed in the monk section?